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COMMENTS from the online version of The Economist:
DemocratDom wrote:
Sep 23rd 2010 6:35 GMT
"What Jakarta really needs is a metro." Amen to that!
gocanucks wrote:
Sep 23rd 2010 7:09 GMT
They should move the capital to Yogyakarta, which is already the cultural heart of the country. But that's very unlikely to happen. Moving capital is such a logistic and bureaucratic nightmare that only a strong dictator can make it happen (like the one in Myanmar).
bismarck111 wrote:
Sep 23rd 2010 11:24 GMT
@gocanucks
"They should move the capital to Yogyakarta, which is already the cultural heart of the country. But that's very unlikely to happen. Moving capital is such a logistic and bureaucratic nightmare that only a strong dictator can make it happen (like the one in Myanmar)."
It was once the Capital of Indonesia for a short period of time when they were fighting the Dutch. Yougakarta as the capital is a bad idea because
1) It reinforces the notion that the Javanese are the rulers of Indonesia
2) its prone to Earthquakes.
There have been suggestions to move it all the way to Central Kalimantan. The geographic heart of Indonesia. They have no Earthquakes there.
Senjata wrote:
Sep 23rd 2010 11:51 GMT
bismarck111,
I concur with your comments about Yogyakarta ... and I love Yogyakarta (my wife is related to the Sultan). Yogyakarta isn't the heart of the country; it's the heart of Java.
Better idea? Bandung. I can envision Bandung as the capital.
Ironic, no? Myanmar copies Dwi Fungsi and Indonesia copies moving capitals.
Cloudwarrior wrote:
Sep 24th 2010 12:00 GMT
@gocanucks
Countries that have moved their capital (just off the top of my head):
Australia
USA
Brazil
Malaysia
Germany
Kazakstan
dbunten wrote:
Sep 24th 2010 3:45 GMT
Aren't you folks not supposed to use the word "moot"?
Tristan F Krumpacker III wrote:
Sep 24th 2010 2:24 GMT
What's a metro? Trams? Underground rail?
bismarck111 wrote:
Sep 24th 2010 8:46 GMT
@Senjata
"
bismarck111,
I concur with your comments about Yogyakarta ... and I love Yogyakarta (my wife is related to the Sultan). Yogyakarta isn't the heart of the country; it's the heart of Java.
Better idea? Bandung. I can envision Bandung as the capital.
Ironic, no? Myanmar copies Dwi Fungsi and Indonesia copies moving capitals."
Bandung is a poor capital, because
1) Bad for planes.
2) There will gridlock on tollways between Bandung and Jakarta
3) It will end up like Mexico City.
Sukarno suggested Palangkaraya in central Kalimantan.
seanjava wrote:
Sep 26th 2010 4:16 GMT
Palangkaraya has been suggested, but has that been well thought out? It is in the middle of a peat swamp, far from anywhere. It can be cut off from the outside world in the rainy season. Is it really a good choice?
This tiny, grimy city was originally made capital of Central Kalimantan so the Dayaks could have their own province; usurping it for the national capital might seem a bit rude.
I was amused to recently read that Lagos, Nigeria, recently got a bus lane system. This is all Jakarta has- the dreadful, overcrowded Busway. At Senen the queues to get onto it can be hundreds of metres long. While even second-rung Chinese cities like Ningbo and Huangzhou are getting subways, it remains beyond the means of Jakarta's 'ruling' elite. The article is spot on in claiming that infrastructure is a problem for Indonesia. Java, one of the most overcrowded places on Earth, is still decades away froma decent freeway system. A recent article in the local press suggests the likeliest answer: corruption. An audit of more than 300 local authorities found that an average of 94% of budgets was being spent on offices, salaries and equipment for governement officials. A measly 6% was going into development of any description. As a liberal Westerner living here, I would dearly love Indonesian democracy to be a success. But right now it seems incapable of getting anything done.
Tomsiv wrote:
Sep 26th 2010 5:23 GMT
Maybe they shouldn't move the capital, but rather abolish it and outsource government to Singapore :)
WestAfricanChief wrote:
Sep 26th 2010 7:16 GMT
@cloudwarrior
Add Nigeria to the list of countries that moved their capital
Good thing too cause I can't imagine lagos today would have coped
Pasaribu wrote:
Sep 26th 2010 9:10 GMT
I think those high officials at the Office of the Jakarta Administration must think that they need to do something because the threat is imminent and real! How could a city as big as Jakarta does not have proper Mass Transit Rapid System (MRT), which is required to lessen the dependency on private transportation. In this regard, it is the high time already for SBY to set up a deadline to be met by the Governor of Jakarta to start the development of MRT, or, Jakarta will be clogged by millions of private vehicles in the very near future. Please be rational and make Jakarta a real showcase of Indonesian development!
Ken Ward wrote:
Sep 28th 2010 1:52 GMT
The idea that President Yudhoyono felt that he was upstaged by his Vice-President, the very low-profile Boediono,is really quite funny. It is more likely that he was reacting to criticism of the delays that his motorcade travelling from his residence near Bogor to the presidential palace in Jakarta causes every day to other commuters that prompted him to talk about moving the capital. Moving the administrative capital somewhere else will be difficult enough. Moving the commercial capital will be impossible, so that gridlock is doomed to persist.
Xiaochen Su wrote:
Sep 28th 2010 2:21 GMT
With Java's incredible population density, it is economically feasible to create an island-wide commuter rail system like the ones in Japan...but that seems to be asking too much from the Indonesian government...
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I think it is difficult if Indonesia`s Capital is move to another city. because other city in Indonesia don't have complete infrastructures, just like in Jakarta. Although there are lot of problem with that such as, the increasing of using vehicle than public transportation, narrower street, traffic jam etc, all this problem could slower the government work. So If they want to move the capital, they have to build another big busy city just like Jakarta that can cost so expensive. So I think the government should focus first in their internal structure rather than moving its capital/ wasting another money that could be use in other beneficial activity. Then starts to make Jakarta as a metro.
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Moving Indonesia's capital to another city have a lot of advantages and disadvantages. Certainly that move the capital to another city make government spend much cost. So, it's better that government must think the other infrastructures first. It will make Indonesia welfare economic grow well.
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